About Thesis and Anti Thesis, Siderealism and Tropicalism

Ours is a broad minded and tolerant culture.

We should respect the Rishies of the West, Kant, Hegel, Fichte, Emerson,Thoreau, Whitman and their mathematicians and astrologers, Kepler, Laplace, Sir Simon Newcomb, Brown, Leverier etc and their astrolgers, William Lilly, Dane Rudhyar et al.

Now I have developed a healthy respect for Western Psychological Astrology, which is based on the Depth Pychology of Freud and Jung, the Transpersonal Psychology of Abraham Maslow and the Humanistic Psychology of Carl Rogers. It is heartening to see parallels to these systems, like Transpersonal Astrology, Humanistic Astrology and Archetypal Astrology.

Varaha Mihira said it correctly

Melaccha hi yavanastheshu
Samyak Saastram idam sthitham
Rishivatyepi Poojyanthe
Kim punar daivavid Dvija !

Respect the Western scholars as Rishies !

The great Puliyoor Purushotaman Namboothir echoed the same when he said " Paschathya Nirmitan Granthan Na Swee Kurvanthi Panditha " !

Why cant the Indian scholars accepts authentic Western books ?

I had an experience, when I wrote a Malayalam article quoting Kant, the German philosopher, one man asked me " Why do you quote Kant? ". I said the Germans rate him as the world's greatest. There are some people in the Indian civlization who are hardliners. Also in the West. Also in the Islamic. We should not be like them. We should not slip into fundamentalism !

As the positron and the electron peacefully coexist in the atom, let both Thesis and Anti Thesis, Tropicalism and Siderealism, peacefully coexist in Astrology !

If we had behaved arrogantly, we seek pardon from those whom we had offended !

Anu Ranjanam Jagath Mangalm ! Peace is better than being right !

Universal Mind, Mahath Brahma !

Well, the Universal Mind is known as Mahat Brahma .

 

Says the Lord

This Universe, the Womb is where I plant

Seeds of all lives
From thence, O Prince of India

Comes birth to all beings

Whoso, Kunti's son, mothers each mortal form
Universal Mind conceives

And I am He that fathers, sending seed !  

 

( The Song Celestial - Sir Edwin Arnold's translation of the Geetha ).

 

 

Mama Yonir Mahat Brahma

Thasmi Garbham Thadamyaham
Sambhava Sarva Bhoothanam
Thatho Bhavathi Bharatha !

Sarva Yonishu Kounteya

Moortaya Sambhavanthi Yaah

Tasam Brahma Mahat Yonee

Aham Beeja prada Pitha !

 

 

This is in line with what Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi taught, that the Absolute Brahman becomes the Cosmic Mind ( Mahat Brahma ) to spread the world and that all this is mirrored in the Universal Mind, Mayayam Bimbithasthvam !

 

Tropicalists vs Siderealists !

This fight between the Tropicalists and the Siderealists have been going on for years. There are Siderealists in the Western ( Fagan,Cheiro who developed their own Ayanamsas ) and there are tropicalists in the Eastern !

About ten years ago, in a Western list, I quoted the Vedic Astrologer, Jeff Armstrong and was labelled as " arrogant". Jeff Armstrong's article was " You are not the Sign that you think you are, the Greek blunder". I said the Greeks have blundered and Moser Sirgar II, the Moderator got hot with me and said "Kumar, do you know how arrogant you are?". Now I am far more mature and avoid Tropical vs Sidereal fights !

I did not blame the Western scholar. How will you react when somebody says  the Indian Astronomers, Brahmagupta, Bhaskara, Aryabhata, Madhava, Parameswar, Jyeshtadeva, Neelakanta etc were wrong ? Similarly he reacted. He was influenced by Hipparchus, Ptolemy, William Lilly, Kepler, Laplace etc and how else can he react to the statement  that his forefathers have blundered ?

According to the Tropicalists, the Siderealists are arrogant. And according to the Siderealists, the Tropicalists are arrogant ! (Thibeau and Whitney  said the ancient Indians did not know Astronomy or Maths ).

There is no need for such fights. Astrology can never be proved as a physical science.

There are 13 Ayanamsas and Hari's is the 13th. Cheiro's Ayanamsa takes 72 years per degree precession. Cyril Fagan established Western Sidereal Astrology.

Since Astrology is a mystical science, let us be tolerant. Paddi ji pointed out yesterday that in some cases, Hari's Ayanamsa worked. Fine. If Lahiri's works, fine. Or Raman's Or Cheiro. Or even  the Zero Ayanamsa of the Tropicalists. Astrology should work and we should come out with good results !

We will be happy when that happens !

Tropical Zodiac vs Sidereal Zodiac

Let us put an end to these arguments.

The tropicalists think they are right and the Siderealists are wrong.

Communists think they are right and Capitalists are wrong.

We pointed out that this world is a maelstrom of warring passions where ideologies clash. He who advances the Anti Theory or Anti Thesis is insulted and he reciprocates.

Who is the villain of the piece? There is a villain of the piece and it is Mind. !

Mind is Biplar, said Tolman. The feeling that Something is Truth and Anti Something is Falsehood is projected by the Mind !

Esse est Percipii and Mind is all in all. All this is just a projection of the Universal Mind, bhootha gramendriyadyairapi Sakala Jagath Swapna Sankalpa Kalpam !

We are all brothers, parts of the Whole and instead of clashing with each other, let us LOVE !

Let us work out what the Divine wants us to do !

The Absolute, the Perfect, the Alone

Our mask of imperfection has assumed

He had made this tenement of flesh His own !

We in His human measure has cast

That to His divine level we might rise 

- Aurobindo.

The Adhi Masas !

There is another cycle which is controversial. The Metonic Cycle, occurring in 19 years.

 

228 solar months = 235 lunar months

The seven intercalation months are Adhi Masas. Discovery attributed to Meton. fifth Century BCE.

 

It was known to the Rishies and they said " Soorya Samkrama Rahithe Mala masobhidheeyathe " !

The Three Levels of Being !

There are three levels of Being. They are

Doing    - Gross Level
Thinking - Subtle Level

Being     - Unamanifest Level

This can be illustrated by the Bubble Diagram. Like the waves of the Ocean. On the gross level, we find agitations. This is the gross level of Doing. When we go to a deeper level, there is more calmness. This is the Subtle Level of Thinking. When we go still deeper, we find the Unmanifest level, the true level of Being.

The subtlest of all subtle thoughts come from Being. The Rishies and the Yogis know how to tune to this level.

The Science of the Absolute, Geetha, identifies these Three Levels of Being and calls them

Adhi Bhootha - Gross Stae

Adhi Yajna    - Subtle State

Adhyamtika -  Unmanifest State

Adhi Bhootha Ksharo Bhava

Purushaschadi Daivatham

Adhi Yajno ha trameva

Dehe Deha bhritam vara

Aurobindo says " I experienced three  of the four  faculties of the Intuitive Reason, Revealation, Inspiration and Intuition, known to the Rishies as Ila, Saraswathi and Sarama". (The Fourth is Illumination )

In Vedic Symbology,

Revealation is Ila

Inspiration is Saraswathi

Intuition is Sarama

Ila is the Mother of the Lunar Dynasty. Saraswathi is the River of Inspiration flowing from the Supramental Truth Consciousness. And Sarama is the Hound of Heaven.

All Mythology is the adumbration of philosophic verities, Ithahasa   Puranabhyam Vedam Samupa Brimhayeth !

Indian Astronomy prior to the Western

Against the Pingree and the Naugbauer Hypothesis, we have the Dr Raju and Dr Joseph Hypothesis.

According to Western Learning, the first book on Astronomy was the Almagest by Ptolemy. Date 2nd century CE.

There was a text prior to that, the Vedanga Jyothisha by Lagadha. Date 1150 BCE !

Dr Raju vehemently argues, in his "Cultural Foundations of Mathematics", that the Almagest was influenced by Indian sources. Dr Joseph opines that the Indian mathematicians used differential equations, at least 600 years before Newton and Liebniz, in his "Crest of the Peacock, the Non European Roots of Mathematics".

Dennis Duke, of Florida State University, says " We have only to conclude that Ptolemy did not invent the equant. " If Ptolemy did not invent the equant, as Westerners widely believe, then who did ?

"The bisected Indian equant model is pre-Ptolemaic' says he. Other Greek books, prior to Ptoemy, may have influenced Indian Astronomy,says he. Then what are those books, prior to the Almagest, which had influenced the Indian system? The answer is "unknown sources".

Remarks Duke " Indeed, since the very earliest investigation of the Indian models by Western scholars it has been presumed that the models are somehow related to a double epicycle system, with one epicycle accounting for the zodiacal anomaly, and the other accounting for the solar anomaly (retrograde motion) This perception was no doubt reinforced by the tendency of some Indian texts to associate the manda and sighra corrections with an even older Indian tradition of some sort of forceful cords of air tugging at the planet and causing it to move along a concentric deferent . Since our goal in this paper is to investigate the nature of any connection with ancient Greek planetary models, it is only important to accept that the models appear in Indian texts that clearly pre-date any possible Islamic influences, which could, at least in principle, have introduced astronomical elements that Islamic astronomers might have derived from Greek sources. ( "The Equant in India: the Mathematical Basis of Ancient Indian Planetary Models" By Dennis Duke, Florida State University